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  • Zhang Jian
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    • @steven chen 我认可你的态度,也就说如果Harvard对亚裔有歧视,“当然要反对”
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    • @Zhang Jian 看过。那个时代种族歧视还是合法的。现在已经完全不同了。哈佛和别的名学根本不敢明目张胆地歧视我们。当然, Reverse Discrimination 和隐性歧视可能是有的。是否违法就要看双方律师的本事了。
  • Zhang Jian
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    • 再次同意你的观点,的确现在的Harvard校长不敢在信中公开说要给亚裔入学quote了。
  • Zhang Jian
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    • 反对歧视行动也是参与美国政治的一部分,所以能提供Harvard 歧视的证据正是亚裔需要做的
  • 金清
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    • @steven chen 我不认为进名校的华人子弟会成为赵先生的敌人,在名校的华人子弟对不公更深有体会。
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    • 同意。
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    • @Zhang Jian 同意
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    • @金清 
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    • 佩服赵先生知难而上的精神!
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    • @Zhang Jian 
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    • @金清 你没有理解我的意思。我是说因为名校有很多华人子弟, 所以赵先生要证明名校种族歧视就比较困难。我也佩服赵先生。
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    • @Zhang Jian 同意!
  • Zhang Jian
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    • @steven chen 虽然需要更多具体的证据赢得case against Harvard, 但是有的legal scholars 甚至普通人也可以发现的事实是 Harvard 等的确在勇隐形的歧视政策。quote如下:Even though the percentage of Asians in the population has been growing, the percentage admitted to Harvard has remained almost unchanged for many years. That strongly suggests a quota policy, which hardly seems to comport with the law.

      It’s very revealing that at another of America’s elite universities, Cal Tech, the percentage of Asian students has risen steadily, from 26 percent in 1993 to 42.5 percent today. Cal Tech is notable for not playing the “diversity” game with admissions and admitting students just based on their evident academic strength, not on their race or ethnicity.
  • Zhang Jian
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    • 不带偏见的人在比较Harvard 和Caltech 亚裔录取比例后很容易得出自己的结论。
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    • Harvard discriminates against Asians as it once did to Jews
      By Betsy McCaughey
      May 19, 2015 | 6:22pm

      Harvard discriminates against Asians as it once did to Jews

      If you’re applying to Harvard and your last name is Wong or Liu, changing it to Lopez or Luciano might just make the difference you need to get in.
      Harvard routinely rejects “Asian” applicants in favor of whites and sought-after minorities with lower test scores and grades.
      Enrollment data reveal that Harvard limits Asian-Americans to a flat 15-18 percent of the student body, year after year, though they increasingly dominate the top of the applicant pool.
      To smoke out ethnicity, Harvard requires applicants to provide their parents’ place of birth, mother’s maiden name and whether their family has ever changed its name.
      These questions, along with an interview requirement, were devised in the 1920s to limit the number of Jewish students. Now Asians are the new Jews, welcome only in limited numbers.
      Last Friday, 64 Asian-American organizations filed a complaint with the Department of Education challenging Harvard’s quota system. Harvard denies it has one, but the evidence that it does is convincing — and sickening.
      The complaint states that Harvard is violating Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by discriminating on the basis of race. Harvard general counsel Robert W. Iuliano responds that the college’s admissions process is “highly individualized” and “holistic.” But admissions data say otherwise.
      Amazingly, no matter how the racial makeup of the applicant pool changes year to year, the outcome is the same cookie-cutter student body: 15-18 percent Asian, 42-49 percent white, 6-8 percent African-American and 7-9 percent Hispanic, plus others.
      It’s not believable that this could be happening absent racial quotas, when Asian high-school students make up twice the share of total college applicants that they did two decades ago, and they are sweeping up academic prizes everywhere.
      In New York, Asians make up 7 percent of the population but garner nearly one-third of the National Merit Scholarship finalists. Asians represent 11 percent of California high-school students but 60 percent of that state’s National Merit Scholars.
      California bans taking race into consideration in its university admissions. No surprise that Asians are now 42 percent of the students at Cal Tech, up from 25 percent two decades ago.
      If race were not being used to limit Asian acceptances, the same thing would be happening at Harvard. The Harvard Crimson reports that Asians have to score hundreds of points higher on their SATs to get accepted.
      They’re not competing against all applicants, just other Asians.
      The Ivy League’s Asian quotas are an open secret. Princeton Review, a guide for students applying to college, warns Asian-Americans not to attach a picture or write their essay on the importance of family: “If you are an Asian-American — or even if you simply have an Asian or Asian-sounding surname — you need to be careful about what you do and don’t say.”
      Harvard says it treats each applicant as an individual, but pigeonholing someone as “Asian” is hardly individualistic. Asian includes those from India, Korea, China, Vietnam, Japan or many other cultures, and religions ranging from Buddhist to Hindu to Christian to Muslim.
      The complaint concedes that racial diversity is an important goal in assembling a college class, but it cites plenty of evidence that giving poor kids a leg up in the admissions process is just as effective as racial quotas in making sure African-Americans and Hispanics get in: “We are willing to support such Affirmative Action.”
      Fair enough. And it will also benefit students like Kai Chan, who is named in the complaint and is now earning a doctorate at Princeton. “I am the son of poor, non-English-speaking parents, neither of whom attended high school.
      They never read to me as a child . . . I attended five high schools, one of which was known locally as ‘last chance high,’ ” says Chan.
      Despite working nearly full-time through high school and college, Chan is making his mark as a scholar. Too bad Harvard’s admissions system was rigged against him, simply because his name is Chan.

      Betsy McCaughey

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    • @Zhang Jian 是从什么杂志或者报纸上转的,跟赵先生的文章有异曲同功之妙
  • 请警惕任何向你获取或要求你输入帐号密码的行为,务必确认对方的官方身份及官网链接。
  • Zhang Jian
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    • @Richard Li 李全 http://nypost.com/2015/05/19/harvard-discriminates-against-asians-as-it-once-did-to-jews/
  • Zhang Jian
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    • 我认为对于Harvard等的歧视采用denial 的态度是不足取的。
  • Zhang Jian
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    • 基于事实的debate 有助于提升亚裔在这个伟大国家应有的地位,也是推进美国教育努力的一个部分
  • steven chen
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    • @Zhang Jian 同意
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    • @steven chen 
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    • @Zhang Jian 更可怕的心态是明知道这是歧视,不光是否认的态度,而且心安理得的接受,并自己找出各种理由来合理化这种行为。比如昨天一位大姐提到的“维稳说”,还有“SAT无用论”等等。
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    • @Tony Xu 您老可能搞错了吧。维稳说和SAT 不是唯一标准的说法是建立在哈佛没有种族歧视的基础之上。如果你们能通过法律途径让法官判定哈佛有种族歧视的话, 大家都会服从你们的。
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    • @steven chen 没有种族歧视,还要牺牲亚裔维稳干哈?
  • steven chen
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    • 我讲的种族歧视是针对华裔或亚裔的直接歧视。

      所为的维稳说是指用所有强势族群的一小部分利益去帮助弱势族群以达到社会稳定。这是逆向歧视reverse discrimination 的一种。它与传统的种族歧视是不同的。

      我坚决反对传统意义上的种族歧视。对于逆向歧视有一定的容忍度。但是绝对不能让华裔或亚裔来独自承担维稳的责任。白人, 犹太人以及别的在教育上的强势族群要共同承担。

  • 飞哥 苏州刺绣美国研究
  • 飞哥 苏州刺绣美国研究
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    • 今天的天分外的蓝,今天的花分外的艳,今天陈钢竞选群的支持者门分外的高兴!因为陈钢尔湾市长竞选筹款晚会正在进行中!
      华人,加油
      陈钢,加油
      坚决支持华裔参政,议政
  • 飞哥 苏州刺绣美国研究
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    • 美国华裔参政观大突破!
      改变华裔政治生态!
      全面推动华裔参政实质进步!

      支持加州尔湾市长候选人华裔陈钢先生!

      支持所有参政的华裔及华裔的女婿!!!
  • 飞哥 苏州刺绣美国研究
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    • 我们华裔为何要支持陈钢?

      我认为:
      1,作为华裔身份陈钢会更加地关注华裔,倾听华裔呼声,从而努力消除现政府对华裔的种种不公。
      2, 但是建议陈钢忘掉自己的华裔身份去参选,关心和维护尔湾各族裔群众的利益。所以他才会得到多数族裔的支持和选票,而不仅仅是华裔,所以陈钢赢的机会很大。
      3, 我认为陈钢不是华裔里最优秀的,可能还不如你,但是他有一颗勇敢、正直的心,敢于挺身而出,为尔湾人出头,为尔湾人的权益奔波。他参与反对并推翻加州歧视亚裔的不平等SCA5法案,他和他朋友们为Great park 迁址公墓事件奔走、呐喊、抗争了整整8 个月。。。

      4,我们要鼓励陈钢当选尔湾的第一个华裔市长。北美各地已经涌起了华人参政、议政的高潮,我们尔湾不能落后,必须马上跟上。尔湾市府零华人席位与占尔湾华裔40% 以上的华裔人口严重不配,市府无人可以倾听华裔的呼声和维护华裔的权益。Walnut,Cerritos, Dimond bar 等城市华裔已选出了他们的华裔议员,华裔市长,国会议员候选人华裔女生李林迪才年仅24岁。
      5,我们华裔要取得政治上的平等,就必须要同心,就必须要发声!相信陈钢将会时刻关注我们的华裔同胞的呼声。请全世界的华裔支持陈钢!作为同根、同族,同胞,我们需要同心、同德、同荣耀 !


  • 飞哥 苏州刺绣美国研究
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    • 美国南加州尔湾市长候选人陈钢第一次竞选筹款晚宴正在进行中!
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  • zhongdan lan
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  • 球王书王孩子王
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    • @Zhang Jian 反对歧视行动也是参与美国政治的一部分,所以能提供Harvard 歧视的证据正是亚裔需要做的
      华裔如何提供证据?没有证据,怎么指控?人家是个私校,招什么学生是自己的事,谁能证明它违法了?
  • 球王书王孩子王
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    • @社会主义好? @steven chen 没有种族歧视,还要牺牲亚裔维稳干哈?
      又要提醒你逻辑问题了。把关系理理清楚,让听众知道你在说什么。
  • 社会主义好?
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    • @球王书王孩子王 你再好好看看,不行的话,爬爬楼
  • Zhang Jian
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    • @球王书王孩子王 正如@社会主义好? 提议你需要了解哈佛歧视的事情的全貌。 作为美国的一个机构,难道因为是私立大学就可以为所欲为吗?! 宪法不适用于私校吗? 更别说哈佛每年从联邦政府获得巨额资助!
  • 嘶嘶马啸
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    • @飞哥  好样的! 支持陈钢,尔湾有40%的亚裔,没有华人当市长说不过去。
  • 社会主义好?
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    • 支持陈钢,尔湾有40%的亚裔,没有华人当市长说不过去。+1
  • 球王书王孩子王
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    • @Zhang Jian 美国法制社会,指控歧视或者违宪(吓人的罪名),要由法庭裁决。请问证据呢?
  • Zhang Jian
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    • @球王书王孩子王 如果没有证据,64个Asian American organizations 会filed complaint? 你以为这些组织都是在儿戏吗?
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    • @球王书王孩子王  “。。。人家是个私校,招什么学生是自己的事。。。” 这就是你为其辩护的理由之一?
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