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  • Henry GOP
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    • @光头强 税法,美国本土人比我们研究的透,不合理当然存在,但基本内容没啥大错,需要改进那也是必须得。但要知道,这不能成为为中国政府不合理地对待平民的一个证据。
  • 北溟起鲲
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    • @光头强 the wealthiest 2.4% paid 49% of total income taxes in 2013
  • 兰彤
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    • @北溟起鲲 thank you,正想找这个
  • 心羽
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  • 心羽
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    • 奴性毕露吧
  • 前世的回眸
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    • 中国美国,各有各的问题。美国当然有很多比中国做得好的地方。如果非要说美国的名猪比中国强,我看不见得。还有所谓人道。
  • Henry GOP
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    • 中国有名猪吗?
  • Tony Xu
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    • @北溟起鲲 @Lantong 插一句。那为啥三德子还说富人交税少,要提高税率?
  • 心羽
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  • 心羽
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    • 皇帝的月饼
  • 北溟起鲲
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    • @Tony Xu 冒出来的及时啊
  • Tony Xu
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    • 这张图是想证明富人已经交了很多税,是不是?
  • Tony Xu
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    • @北溟起鲲 呵呵!天朝的事情,实在引不起辩论兴趣,看看与美国的事搭边,插一句花。
  • 前世的回眸
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    • @北溟起鲲 你要搞明白,在大城市地区25万收入一般是夫妻双方都出去扒分的结果。真正的富人一个人扒分抵你夫妻俩都还要多。而且,25万是一个催悲的数字,避税的工具基本没份,花钱的地方却有份。所以我说的富人不是25万的收入。25万收入的人也没可能有权制定民主游戏规则
  • 北溟起鲲
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    • @Tony Xu 因为他们在社会中占尽了资源,占尽了优势,富人越富,穷人越穷,那当然要多缴税啊
  • steven chen
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    • @Tony Xu 你一直在偷偷地看? 你不知道现在民主党共和党已经合作了。
  • 北溟起鲲
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    • @steven chen 
  • Tony Xu
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    • @steven chen 偶尔过来看一眼是否结束了。
  • 前世的回眸
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    • @Henry Ma 中国肯定没名猪啦!我想说的是一个没名猪,一个假名猪,就不要比较了嘛!拿假名猪去批没名猪,也没什么意思
  • 谈云识天气
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    • @菁菁 wrote "@Henry Yang 你真的没在中国生活过还是装糊涂,中国人政治言论之多样性,包括您上面一句,你在美国见过么?" 菁菁,you are wrong, not only wrong, but self evidently wrong for many of us. Precisely because we lived both in China and America for long time, we know the differences all too well. That's why your comment managed to scramble the deep division among us and achieved the impossible: unite both liberals and conservatives in opposition to one statement, your statement.

      To give you some perspective, I would just point out some simple facts. The one thing this group of 500 never had disagreement was the press conference for Prof Xi and Ms. Chen. Two of the leaders that organized the event were @薛海培(Haipei Shue) 和此群主@老客Cliff李忠刚 . Do you know how they get to know each other and first cut their teeth in political organization? One word: 学自联. Do you know what it means? If not, google it. Then try to 百度 it inside China. Compare the results, if there are any results from 百度 at all.

      When that terrible June night happened, you were either a baby or not born yet. The Chinese government successfully suppressed it from your education. To us, that was not just history in a book. We were eye witness to history, either inside or outside China. Don't tell us it's American propaganda either. When you had to duck because real bullets were flying over your head at 木樨地, when you had to retreat because a line of AK47 were aiming at you and ready to fire, when real blood spilled on the street of Motherland, it's no longer academic, it's all too real. What did we do to deserve all this?! Well, we made political points, like we do here every single day. Making political points without the threat of violence, that's freedom for you.

      You may feel that you never had personal experience of having your opinion suppressed inside China. Well, you haven't crossed an invisible line yet, particularly you haven't done any political organization. If you did anything like what @薛海培(Haipei Shue) 和@老客Cliff李忠刚 did, you'd sit inside a Chinese jail, just like those Chinese feminist activists.
  • Tony Xu
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    • @北溟起鲲 那么您老同意@光头强 说的,富人一直用loophole 避税了。
  • Henry GOP
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    • @光头强 假名猪?那可能还没接触到美国地区自治这个名猪吧!
  • steven chen
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    • @光头强 所以你到了美国top 3%的income 还很不高兴?
  • 兰彤
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    • @Tony Xu @北溟起鲲 我想知道welfare money 占税收多少百分比,要挣到多少钱,交的税除了cover自己的ss medicare benefit,公共设施社会保障之外,还能说养了“穷人”?谁有数据给一个?
  • 北溟起鲲
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    • @光头强 那你觉得多少钱算富翁啊?
  • Tony Xu
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    • 我的话完了,各位继续辩论
  • 前世的回眸
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    • @北溟起鲲 到了能享受各种避税工具的时候就算了
  • 前世的回眸
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    • @steven chen 我不是没到吗?不然也像比尔学习
  • 北溟起鲲
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    • @Tony Xu “@北溟起鲲 那么您老同意@光头强 说的,富人一直用loophole 避税了。” 你推理的过程给我说说?
  • Henry GOP
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    • 总统选举不是美国名猪的代表,地方自治才是'。
  • steven chen
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    • @光头强 你家庭收入没有到25万?
  • 前世的回眸
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    • @steven chen 我不觉得25万是富人。
  • 球王书王孩子王
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    • @谈云识天气 that is powerful. Thank you.
  • 兰彤
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    • @光头强 这觉悟,我儿子说年收入一万,跟世界上很多人比,都已经是富人
  • 听听意见
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    • @谈云识天气 你以为美国没有那些invisible line吗?
  • Henry GOP
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    • @谈云识天气 给力
  • 前世的回眸
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    • @Lantong 呵呵,我对你儿子肃然起敬
  • 谈云识天气
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    • @听听意见 no line for the army to shoot at you.
  • steven chen
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    • 如果25万还不开心的话那美国97%的人怎么活?
  • 听听意见
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    • @谈云识天气 那是你不知道美国历史
  • 谈云识天气
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    • @听听意见 don't mix complaint about "political correctness" with the power of AK47
  • Charles
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    • 2. 4%富人交49%稅並不冤枉富人,因為他們的錢是
      1。別人替他們賺耒的
      2。錢賺錢來的
  • 北溟起鲲
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    • @光头强 你举几个避税的loophole,我们来分析分析?
  • 前世的回眸
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    • 97%里面有一半享受着民主的自由空气,能不开心吗?
  • Henry GOP
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    • @北溟起鲲 哈哈,来硬的了?
  • steven chen
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    • @光头强 那你为什么不享受一下呢?
  • 管昕
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    • @谈云识天气 well said! 不知道下周末有否机会在DC见到你?忠刚是老朋友,海培我是一定想见滴!
  • 北溟起鲲
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    • @Charles 你是在回答@Tony Xu的问题吗?
  • 谈云识天气
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    • You can easily Google "Kent state" to get all the glory details in America. Can you get anything inside China by 百度 June IV 学运。I had to use Roman numeral because WeChat servers are inside China.
  • 前世的回眸
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    • @北溟起鲲 微信打字你这不是害我吗?你如果真想学,你就潜心下来好好看看税法。那也是游戏规则的一部分。
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