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  • Henry Yang
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    • @Tony Xu 其实对方组织更贴切的名字是: Chinese support racial discrimination against Chinese
  • Henry Yang
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    • 可推选令人遵敬的Dr. Albert Wang为主席
  • Tony Xu
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    • 人家不会这么起名字啦
  • Tony Xu
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    • 弄个好听的名字吧,Chinese For AA。大家各自在华人社区动员就是了。如果华人都跟你们走,这个族裔,说实话也不值得我来浪费时间金钱来为之奋斗。认输退出不玩就是了。
  • Paris冼君MBA房地产投资邀请Paris 冼君 美中一号房地产公司加入了群聊
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  • steven chen
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    • @Tony Xu 先问问你们的孩子吧。 小心他们不支持你们。
  • 兰彤
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    • @Tony Xu 态度不好,passive aggressive
  • Henry Yang
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    • @Tony Xu Chinese for AA早就不是什么新鲜玩意。去年CAA的创始人王教授被Bob Huff和David Lehrer 驳得体无完肤
  • Henry Yang
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    • 反SCA5 Cupertino Townhall Meeting纪实与感想 | Henry Yang 的微动博
      http://henryyang.weidb.com/p6669&g=1739&tag=latest&page=1
  • 嘶嘶马啸
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    • @Henry Yang  excellent record!
  • 晚春
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    • 谁敢把旗竖起来, 还能把人聚在你的旗下, 才是真正的王者。
  • 兰彤
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    • @晚春 what happened to you?我清楚的记得你是反对针对AA的?说complaint只是针对AA除外的人人平等,还说的挺好的,什么道义上站不住脚什么什么的,我当时觉得说特好来着
  • 冰雪月心
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    • @晚春 就那么一点人,还王者,村长者还差不多
  • Tony Xu
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    • @steven chen 大哥这么自信的话,可以把大旗竖起来
  • 谈云识天气
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    • @晚春 wrote "@谈云识天气 请教你在争取提高华人地位上的tactics. 这些tactics 是否已在实践中有所建树? ”

      By "tactics", we meant the tactics to win an argument in the political or corporate world. I don't know there is any special tactics for "提高华人地位” other than for every one of us to be the best we can be in whichever line of work we're doing. I do want to comment on why I support 华人参政 and the tactics to win an argument.
  • 晚春
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    • @Lantong 我反对的是大学录取中race based AA。
  • 谈云识天气
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    • I support 华人参政 NOT because of a sense of group victimhood or group grievances, real or perceived. I do NOT resent either blacks or whites. I'm happy with America in general. I just want to be an American who happens to be of Chinese heritage.

      In Lindy Li, I've found a candidate who doesn't have an ax to grind, who goes into politics because she enjoys the line of work and has the talent for it. She will compete in a district that has very few Chinese or Asians. She basically will run as an all American candidate who happens to be of Chinese heritage. Her youth reminds me of my own daughter. I saw Lindy in person for the first time this past weekend. I'm impressed. You should see how smoothly she worked the room. She dressed fashionably and conservatively. She used the right culture reference (she correctly used "bamboo ceiling" to refer to the "ceiling" Asians may face, not the "glass ceiling" which is usually associated with the "ceiling" females may face). She quoted Lyndon Johnson on the fly.

      I'm sure her politics won't match mine perfectly. But who in the field will?! Her politics need to reflect her district, PA 7th. For those of us outside of her district, all we can do is to give this all American girl an chance because she IS our daughter. I've been a regular voter, but I've become a political donor for the first time for Lindy.
  • 谈云识天气
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    • I also would like to say something about the tactics to win an argument, in the hope to raise the quality of discussion on this group.

      A few weeks ago, I asked @Henry Yang to figure out why I answered some of his questions, but not others. He never got back to me. The answer is really simple: if it is a substantive question that I perceive as could be asked by the silent majority, I will answer and in fact I have to answer in order to advance my arguments. If I perceive it as a technicality or other distractions that only the active opponents would care, I ignore it, even toy it with them.

      Let's start with a basic fact: you're not going to change the mind of your active opponents. If anything, you probably harden their positions by arguing with them. Then why bother arguing? The real "target" is the audience, the silent majority, the persuadable. If everyone understands this, we will solve the chronic complains of "personal attacks".

      Periodically, there are accusations of personal attacks flying in this group, followed by the appeal to "authority"(群主)。This is a group of politically minded Chinese American. If we cannot operate a 微信群 with self regulation, what does it say about our political maturity?!

      I propose we do it the American way: Freedom of Speech. Let's not waste our time on those petty issues of hurt feelings and egos, on who said what hurt words and trying to draw a line (political correctness, anyone?) Trust the intelligence of the silent majority. Each audience may have different standard on what constitutes as personal attacks, what constitutes as biting criticism. If you cross the line for that one audience, you lose that audience. We are here to articulate our case to the silent majority, right? Take the hit on your person like a man, win a point for your cause!

      If you are here for your ego, sorry, this is the wrong group for you. There are plenty of healthy egos here. Yours will be bruised during debates sooner or later. And if you're on the wrong side, yours will be bruised by me pretty badly, if not already. For that, I apologize in advance and wholesale.
  • 赵宇空
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    • 必须把这种指标不治本,伪善,运行了四十多年还无效的AA,换成直接受益于贫困社区的,以经济和社会条件为基础的AA,美国贫困地区的教育才有希望。
  • 赵宇空
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    • Professor: Affirmative Action is Helping Too Many Black Immigrants, Not Enough African-Americans | Your Black World
      http://yourblackworld.net/2013/05/21/professor-affirmative-action-is-helping-too-many-black-immigrants-not-enough-african-americans/?from=timeline&isappinstalled=0
  • Tony Xu
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    • Ben Carson也反对AA
  • Henry Yang
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  • Henry Yang
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    • 转:Dr Ben Carson,共和党总统候选人之一卡森医生,今天在 Fox News 的访谈中明确提到反对 Affirmative Action。不应该考虑种族,而应该考虑具体的个人情况,circumstances 。他认为,考虑种族的政策,实际上伤害了需要照顾的少数族裔。应该用 Compassionate Action 取代。他是第一位如此明确提出这一点的 2016 总统候选人。
  • 晚春
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    • Dr. Ben Carson: We need compassionate action, not affirmative action | OTR Interviews | On the Record | Fox News
      http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/2014/02/20/dr-ben-carson-we-need-compassionate-action-not-affirmative-action?from=timeline&isappinstalled=0
  • steven chen
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    • Ben Carson 已经得到好处了, 已经成功了。他当然不需要AA 了。
  • Tony Xu
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    • 我比较感兴趣的是,如果Carson代表gop选总统,非裔是继续投给民主党白人总统候选人,还是黑人选黑人,投给Carson
  • 温倩 打酱油 sFL
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    • ben carson 在这点上,与我们一些同胞很像。
  • Tony Xu
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    • @温倩 打酱油 您是说和您?
  • Henry Yang
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    • @温倩 打酱油 Ben Carson是要求取消对黑人的照顾,我们是要求取消对我们的歧视。你听上去把照顾和歧视混淆了
  • 社会主义好?
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    • @steven chen 您这说法. 让我想起去年4月,一位自己儿子去了斯坦福的朋友,觉得藤校应该限制亚裔比例..
  • Tony Xu
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    • 这里支持AA的,大都自己小孩已经上了大学的吧!我小人之心一把了
  • steven chen
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    • @Tony Xu 你能否讲出您的一个政治立场是与您自己的利益相左的?
  • 社会主义好?
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    • @steven chen 您要是觉得Carson有理,就彻底反对race based AA好了
  • steven chen
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    • @Tony Xu 我女儿现在高中三年级。
  • 华山君
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    • Some people are just not getting it
  • 赵宇空
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    • 大家很清楚地看到了以上@谈云识天气 的坦白:“I support 华人参政 NOT because of a sense of group victimhood or group grievances, real or perceived. I do NOT resent either blacks or whites. I'm happy with America in general. I just want to be an American who happens to be of Chinese heritage. ” 从这段话可以看出此人以前伪装成为担心Top10 政策会使华裔受到更多伤害的说法不过是一个虚假的托词,完全是用于挑起斗争,攻击理念不同者, 或者是其他不可告人的目的。画皮一片片掉下来了。这样我就非常理解为什么亚裔社团的维权运动为什么会让他失望了。理念不同可以,光明正大地亮出真面目,旁观者也容易辨认。
  • 社会主义好?
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    • @华山君 Some people are just not getting it +1
  • Tony Xu
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    • @steven chen 算我小人之心了。大哥高尚
  • 兰彤
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    • @赵宇空 你这么说话会lose 很多supporter
  • 张開燊【新湖财富】
  • steven chen
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    • @Tony Xu 没有高尚。我只是比较看重我的长久利益。比您更坏。
  • steven chen
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    • @Tony Xu 你能否讲出您的一个政治立场是与您自己的利益相左的?
  • 华山君
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    • 俺的也未成年,狠未成年
  • Tony Xu
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    • @steven chen 有的,比如我不反对加税的。只要用的合理
  • 赵宇空
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    • @Lantong 他是AA的维护者为什么要装做关心亚裔孩子的教育权益。做人不需要正直吗?
  • 社会主义好?
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    • @steven chen 您认为SCĀ5对亚裔长远有益?
  • 社会主义好?
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    • @steven chen 如果大家的政治立场都和自己的利益相左,有些怪啊.
  • steven chen
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    • @社会主义好? 我没有支持SCA5.
  • 社会主义好?
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